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By gpig (Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 11:24:21 AM EST) (all tags)
An event even bigger that HuSiStock. I have carefully avoided using the politics icon, guess why to win a prize.

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Photo:

(nicked from Indymedia, because they won't complain)

Despite living in Edinburgh right next to the Meadows, I wasn't sure whether I could be bothered to go on the Make Poverty History march. This is a bit of a shocking admission for someone with such strong ethical views. In the event the issue was resolved by my hangover (which was caused by having a whole bottle of the strawberry flavour of this to myself on Friday night). I went out to the rally to meet my family but left before they went on the march.

Demo Hijackers: There were a few of these but you can't really do much about it except laugh. Played "spot the trot" for a bit, there were a few "make capitalism history" t-shirts around. In general I agree with a lot of what anti-capitalists say, but they have to stop using the phrase "anti-capitalist". When you say you are 'anti-capitalist' people think that you want to abolish money. Which is obviously arse.

One of my friends who was a steward reported that the stewards' briefing rapidly degenerated into socialist-worker-style political bickering. The highlight, apparently, was a woman who was outraged that the caterers at the rally were actually going to run at a profit.

The highlight in demo-hijacking terms was probably my little sister taking the paper bit off a placard of George Bush with "#1 Terrorist" written on it. When I asked what she was doing, she said, "well, this isn't really appropriate for today, but I want one for my wall". Almost nabbed one for myself but I'd rather people talked to me to get my politics, rather than inferring it from my living room decorations.

The Palestine Solidarity Campaign were out in force too, but had obviously been kicked off the Meadows and were on the street outside.

Trade Onions: I almost left my union a while ago when they decided to start boycotting Israeli universities. Now, don't get me wrong — I'm in favour of putting pressure on Israel to work towards a Palestinian state (boycotting universities is almost certainly not the way to go about this, but that's another argument).

The reason I opposed the boycott is that I thought that trade unions should work for the benefit of members without becoming political on areas unrelated to their purpose. So, for example, it would be ok for the union to take a point of view on student fees, and lobby the Government, but not on the Iraq war. There was a lot of trade union involvement in the Make Poverty History march (in particular, Unison sponsored the stewards) and I'm forced to reconsider my stance. Without the unions' support and experience in organising demos it might not have been so well organised or successful.

(Note: My union have now withdrawn their plan to boycott Israeli universities because lots of their members complained. Some even threatened to leave).

Party: By the time the first lot of marchers had finished (about 15h30) I was much recovered. A lot of my friends were there (in different groups) and I got several phone calls to see if I was in. Thereafter there was a steady stream of people in my flat until about 1h30. I really like this kind of party, impromptu and with people arriving and leaving through the night. I didn't have any food in, and didn't want to cook, so after a quick trip to the shop we had fruit and salad. This worked surprisingly well and was very popular considering the lack of fat / salt / meat. Also nobody seemed to mind that my front room was crowded by a weights bench and an upturned bed.

During the afternoon we were mainly watching / taking the piss out of the live music stuff that was on. Seeing random bands on the TV is a really good way to find out more about your friends' music preferences.

The party ended with five of us drinking, two having an impassioned and surprisingly well informed debate about the Iraq war (without conclusion, big surprise) and the other three having a game of Boggle. I lost against my regular Boggling-partner for the first time ever by two points. The third player was a friend of ours who got a rather respectable score for a first ever game, especially considering that he's dyslexic.

In the idiom of Scoop, +1, Would Protest Again, But Hope I Don't Have To.

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Oh I know, I know! by theantix (2.00 / 0) #1 Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 12:42:01 PM EST
A red rose bit you on the nose when you were a kid, right?  Do I win the prize?


Sure, you've got the facts on your side -- but that's just your opinion.


More boring than that, I'm afraid by gpig (2.00 / 0) #5 Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 07:09:15 PM EST
I don't see Make Poverty History as particularly political, more humanitarian. You might prefer to believe the rose-abuse theory and forget you read this.
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labour + rose = true? by bobdole (2.00 / 0) #2 Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 03:15:28 PM EST

-- The revolution will not be televised.


TypeError by gpig (2.00 / 0) #6 Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 07:12:11 PM EST
operator + : Flower and PoliticalParty are unrelated types.

But yes, the red rose is the symbol of the Labour Party, though it looks decidedly pinkish these days.
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Make Poverty History? by Orion Blastar (2.00 / 0) #3 Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 05:56:53 PM EST
Is this like some of those other scams where middle-men took off with most of the money, and those it was supposed to help only got a fraction?

Live Aid

Farm Aid

Africa Aid

Aids Aid

Band Aid

Kool Aid

Woodstock part 2, Electric Boogaloo

Weren't they all supposed to make poverty history in some way? Why did they fail? Why does Socialism fail over and over and over time and time again? How come these things never seem to work?

It isn't under pollitics, because it is economical as in Marxism/Socialism type of economics. Have fun trying to start that revolution, BYOB/BYOG (Bring Your Own Bottle, Bring Your Own Gun).


"I drank what?" - Socrates after drinking the Conium


Socialism by gpig (4.00 / 2) #7 Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 07:13:28 PM EST
Extracting the sole coherent point from your post:

Why does Socialism fail over and over and over time and time again?

Because it tries.
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There is no try by Orion Blastar (2.00 / 0) #10 Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 01:29:00 AM EST
do or do not. If you do not believe it, that is why you fail.

So basically, Socialism self destructs because it tries to fail? I always thought it was because the people in charge of socialism kept more materialism things for themselves, hence creating a psuedo-capitalism that counters anything that socialism creates, thus it fails. Like not staying true to their own theories, and becoming greedy pigs like the Capitalists are accused of being.


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IHBT n/t by gpig (4.00 / 1) #11 Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 05:09:38 AM EST

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Hello by extremely tedious HuSer (2.00 / 0) #4 Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 06:11:59 PM EST
My fiance was going to come up to Edinburgh to try and make a photo diary. It looks like the Make Poverty History March is turning into a Glastonbury for the poor (well, I suppose it sort of fulfils the brief). Luckily, I managed to convince her to go on a sunshine holiday with me instead.

Sounds like lots of fun if you live there.



It was pretty good by gpig (2.00 / 0) #8 Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 07:19:54 PM EST
Yeah, tell her we made poverty history without her.

I can see how it would annoy locals who disagreed with the march, or thought demonstrations in general were a bad idea. That said the Meadows is pretty much continuously occupied during the Fringe Festival and for a few other things through the year, so it's not like it's never noisy or busy. Anyway the real protesters arrive tomorrow, that should be interesting.

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She was going to follow them around a take pics by extremely tedious HuSer (2.00 / 0) #9 Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 07:48:28 PM EST
It's her job (sort of).

I suppose now that festivals are too expensive for students, this kind of events look more attractive to them.

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Possibly by gpig (2.00 / 0) #12 Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 09:15:15 AM EST
I don't think many were there just because it was a social occasion. There's a definite move more recently towards 'protest as party' and I don't see anything wrong with that. The point of a protest is to gather and be seen to be supporting a cause — you could protest in absolute silence, you could protest lying down on the floor, but all things considered, you might as well be having fun.
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